So it shouldn't have come down to this if Maryland had actually been coached well and played to their abilities, but courtesy of The Baltimore Sun, here is a picture of Simpson on the infamous 4th down play that was upheld as a first down because there was no conclusive video evidence (because ESPN2 apparently can't afford a sideline camera like every other network):
So this picture shows me that Simpson clearly did not have the first down. His knee is clearly out of bounds. He stretched after his knee went out of bounds with the ball. It's questionable whether even with this stretch the ball was beyond the first down marker (that piece of plastic is about a foot wide and it's a pretty inexact science as to where on that piece of plastic the actual yard to gain is). But what is not questionable is that the stretch should not have counted in the first place, because he was already out of bounds when he stretched by virtue of his knee being down. And if you look, it's not even close really... his knee isn't half on the line and half off the line. His knee is clearly in the white area which designates the out-of-bounds line.
So, as I said, this should not have cost us the game. And I hate doing this because this is purely loser talk. But, quite simply, the blown call cost the Terps the game. It should've been first down Maryland on their own 10-yard line with under a minute to go. Instead, UVA scores moments later (a questionable call unto it's own right, but one that I think was ultimately the correct call).
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I really can't see his knee Jeremy.
J-Red, sorry to take us off topic and everything, but I have an NFL rules question.
If the division standings finished such that Team A was 4-4-8, and Team B was 7-9-0, who would be ahead in the standings?
And I can see his knee. It's down. The ball is not yet at the marker.
I'm pretty certain I see both legs in the linebacker's (Philistin?) arm with the linebackers leg underneath the ballcarrier. Neither knee looks down to me, unless I'm mis-seeing the picture.
Ben: Ties count as .5 wins and .5 losses in the NFL tiebreaker procedure. So 4-4-8 is 8-8, and would beat the 7-9 team without applying any tiebreakers.
See all NFL tiebreakers here.
Oh, you are right about the knee. How about that.
However, the ball is on the ground and not yet at the marker. So it's still a bad spot, right?
And thanks for the rule info.
Ok, without opining over whether the ball is far enough downfield in the picture, Jeremy and Ben, you are not seeing the picture properly.
Philistin is nearly sitting, with both of his legs ahead of his torso. He has both of Jackson's legs wrapped in his right arm. You can see the left calf of the receiver on top of Philistin's leg, and certainly not on the ground.
What you guys think is his left knee is the lower leg of the guy standing in the background.
There's no way I'm going to make a guess at that angle, with the stick bent back to avoid collision and the marker possibly moved, at whether the ball went far enough before it touched down.
I'm with J-Red on this one, I can't see a knee down. Also, watching on TV, I thought the spot was fair +/- one foot, which is about all you can ask for. We could have tackled him in such a way that he couldn't dive forward, but we didn't.
And the goal line call was not questionable at all on replay. It was clearly in before he fumbled.
We also could have actually covered Simpson on that play, since he was the only possible option for the entire 4th quarter.
I love how you guys go over and over about why and how your team lost on Saturday....does it really matter if this was the one play that may or may not of lost the game...you lost...there is always next week...get back in the saddle boys and keep going. maybe i can say this because i am a lion's fan and were use to losing and trust me i replay it over and over why and when we lost and then i realize we just sucked and go on with my day....
Okay, I'll say it.
The Lions losing has nothing to do with a Maryland-UVA game. I know it's weird, but Maryland fans actually have expectations to some small degree, especially when it comes to UVA.
I still say the safety was the worst play by far, because it was totally within our control.
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